Le Thanh Duc, Ho Thi Hong, and Their Three Daughters

A father stays upbeat while his wife despairs


Profiled by Kelly Howell, 2013

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Le Thanh Duc, his wife Ho Thi Hong and their daughter Le Thi Phuong

Le Thanh Duc joined the military in 1975. A few years later he was promoted and sent to the Hieng Community in Da Nang. He told me that when he arrived the forest had already been burned by what he later came to know as Agent Orange. He stayed in or near Da Nang for over four years.

After patrolling near the Da Nang Airport, Mr. Duc and others were asked to remove a leaking canister from the grounds. He later realized that canister was Agent Orange that had been stored at the airport. In the days following he experienced a range of symptoms, including dizziness and headaches. The symptoms later faded. Mr. Duc continued to work at Da Nang Airport which was by now known to be an AO “hotspot,” for over a year.

After he returned to his home in Bo Thach district, Mr. Duc suffered from intermittent fevers and ailments until he was formally diagnosed by a government doctor as “suffering from Agent Orange side effects.” There are no known disabilities resulting from birth defects in his family or the wife of his family. Nonetheless, their first three children were born with an unknown ailment. The last three were born healthy.

Le Thi Phuong

Le Thi Phuong, their first child, was born in 1983. At first, she appeared healthy. However, around age 10, she began to develop a neuropathic disorder that led to paralysis. At first, she was able to speak, walk, and run. Then she began to experience difficulty with her speech and motor skills. Her parents took Phuong to the hospital, but no formal diagnosis was ever made beyond “suffering from Agent Orange side effects.”

leducthanhdaughter1000Le Thi Phoung’s health has continued to degenerate and the paralysis has progressed to the point where she cannot sit up or talk. She is always prostrate and depends on her parents to feed her and change her, as she has lost control of her bodily functions. Her muscles have degraded and she has very little muscle mass. Her back is sharply arched, something that has happened gradually, and her hands are bent. Her family does not know if her mind has been affected because she cannot speak or communicate other than with the occasional smile. Sometimes she cries out. When she does this, her parents move her to a new position, on her stomach or her side, which they say is what she wants.

Le Thi No and Le Thi Lanh

The next two children to be born, both daughters, Le Thi No (b. 1986) and Le Thi Lanh (b. 1988), have suffered like their older sister. They too were born without any apparent disorders, but as they grew, by age 10, the same strange symptoms appeared. Their parents say the disease only progresses, and there is no cure. The next three children to be born grew up without medical problems. Le Thanh Duc and daughters Li Thi Phoung and Li Thi Linh small

The three affected children all respond to the sounds of their parents’ voices with smiles and sounds. According to Le Thanh Duc, his youngest daughter Le Thi Lanh can text very simple messages on a cell phone, even though she cannot speak. This may be evidence that the children still have some normal cognitive function that is masked by the paralysis.

Le Thanh Duc is convinced that it was his exposure to AO in Da Nang that led to the family’s medical problems. However, he bears no ill will, preferring instead to leave the past alone and look forward to a better future that will allow him to better care for his family financially. He and his wife are totally preoccupied with caring for their sick children, although AEPD has been speaking with them about a micro-loan to produce a fish sauce. Such a business could be run from the home and allow the parents to continue to care for their children, while still earning some money to run the household.

The Isolation of Agent Orange Families

However, even this may not be enough. Le Thanh and his wife do not possess the medical skills to fully care for their children. The family lacks the transportation and funds to ensure that the children are seen regularly by a medical doctor or meet a medical emergency. The family needs expert advice, medical supplies, and medical care. Additionally, the Duc family does not mingle with the parents of other children in their community that also suffers.

Le Than Duc daughterAccording to the AEPD outreach worker that accompanied me, there are many families with Agent Orange children – enough to start a community support group. The problem is the social stigma that comes from having a family member with disabilities. It especially problematic when it comes to disabilities that might appear – to the untrained eye – to be caused by a contagious illness.

As a result, Duc fears that if neighbors and others in the community find out that his children are ill with this wasting disease they would stay away and keep Duc away from their homes. This sort of “polite ostracization” leads parents like Duc and Ho Thi Hong to keep the condition of their children as quiet as possible, adding to their sense of isolation.

Update by Armando Gallardo and Iain Guest, August 2015


Ho Thi Hong, grieving mother and caregiver

Le Thanh Duc meets with us in the same room where he met with Kelly Howell in 2013. His three daughters are lying on the same large bed that they lay on two years ago, and seem bathed in the same colors and afternoon light. They are now aged 30, 27 and 29. They interrupt our talk with short barks and moans.

Mr. Duc and his wife Ho Thi Hong have suffered another tragedy since they met with Kelly. Their youngest son died in 2014 at the age of 18 in a car accident. He had been spared Agent Orange and the irony was striking. Everyone was so nervous when Mr. Duc’s oldest son joined the army that AEPD even asked the authorities to keep an eye out for him.

The loss of her son has further unnerved Mr. Duc’s wife, who has never come to terms with the illness of their three daughters. Linh, our translator, says she is “shocked, depressed and sad – not at all normal.” Mrs. Hong appears midway through our discussion and bursts into tears when we produce a print-out from the AP website which carries a photo of her daughters.

The problem is that she is also a primary caregiver in this damaged family. Unlike other families, where the mother is strong, Mrs. Hong clearly needs care herself.

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Le Thanh Duc shows 2015 Peace Fellow Armando Gallardo around his fish business, which later closed down after pollution killed off fish in the area.

Luckily, it is not all bad. In a reversal of roles, her husband is upbeat and optimistic. Since he met with Kelly in 2013, Mr. Duc has used a loan from AEPD to launch a new business to make fish sauce. He also appeared on television on December 3, 2014, to celebrate International Disability Day. This turned him into a celebrity and he tells us with pride that a company in Hanoi donated 100 million Dong to disability causes after seeing him on television. “I like to raise awareness!” he says through Linh.

Mr. Duc is bursting to give us a tour of his business, which he runs with his sister, and he takes us down the path to a shed where it all happens. Oblivious to the smell, he tells us that AEPD loaned him 17 million Dong (through Irish Aid) in 2013, which he used to buy ten large pots and other equipment. Each year he borrows 10 million Dong to buy anchovies, which he stores in the pots for several months. It normally costs about 12 million Dong to fill the pots, but it cost almost double in 2014 because of the storms, which the Vietnamese put down to climate change. After a year of stewing, the fish sauce is ripe, ready and very strong. It is also very popular in restaurants.

Mr. Duc earns 3.4 million Dong from selling fish. In addition, he receives 9 million Dong a month from the government for the Agent Orange sickness suffered by his daughters, himself and his wife. This may seem like a lot, but his expenses are considerable: 1 million Dong to pay for home care and several million Dong a month to pay for electricity and the repayment on his bank loan. It does not leave much. And as Armando points out, his fish business depends on the whims of Mother Nature.

Mr. Duc is undaunted. He wants to buy more pots and open a store. He also wants to put photos on the walls of his house, which are bare. His enthusiasm is infectious – and unexpected.

Update by Jacob Cohn, July 2017

The village where Le Thanh Duc’s family lives is around 15 miles north of Dong Hoi, nestled among sand dunes near the Pacific coast. In the wake of our harrowing visit to Pham Thi Do, Mr. Duc’s warm, cheerful greeting as we arrive feels a bit jarring. That feeling only increases when we see what awaits us inside the house.

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Mr. Duc is proud of his war service, in spite of the damage done to his children by Agent Orange

Mr. Duc’s house is fairly large, and we once again sit at a table in the foyer. As soon as we enter, I see two girls sprawled on a bed in a room to my right—these are Mr. Duc’s children, Phuong and No. Both are paralyzed and unable to speak or move; they make groaning sounds throughout our visit, which their parents can apparently understand. Another paralyzed girl, Lanh, lies on a bed in her own room to my left. Phuong and No, in particular, don’t look comfortable—their gasps put me in mind of fish out of the water.

In addition to Mr. Duc, we’re joined by his wife, Ho Thi Hong (who looks frail and says little) and the president of the local branch of the Vietnam Association of Victims of Agent Orange/Dioxin (VAVA). Mr. Duc (as described here) was contaminated while serving in the military after the American War, during a cleanup operation at Da Nang Airport; he would later suffer from fevers and other ailments linked to Agent Orange, and the first three of his six children were born with disabilities, as we can see. I’m startled to realize at this point that the three daughters, who I would have assumed to be in their teens, are all well into adulthood—Phuong is 34, No is 31 and Lanh is 25. Whatever ailment has caused their paralysis has also kept them from growing into adults.

Mr. Duc had previously gotten a loan from AEPD to start a fish sauce business, but that business collapsed last year after a mass die-off of fish in nearby waters, believed to be the result of contamination from a steel plant. Undaunted, Mr. Duc, with the support of AP donors, bought three pigs and 80 chickens to raise in an enclosure behind his house. Mr. Duc tells us that a decline in the pork market forced him to sell his pigs, but that he still made a profit of 4 million Vietnamese dong (around $175), which Ngoc tells me is a respectable amount. He’s still raising his chickens, and has made another 4 million dong in net profit from them in the past few months; if the pork market improves, Mr. Duc says, he may buy more pigs to raise. Having a variety of animals is “very useful” for making money, he says.

me leMr. Duc seems optimistic about his business, but the tone of our conversation shifts as the subject turns to his children. Phuong, No, and Lanh are getting “worse and worse,” Mr. Duc says, and due to his wife’s weakness he’s the only one who can properly care for them and “release their pain.” The children are now unable to leave their beds. In the past he’s taken them to doctors, Mr. Duc says, but “no one can help them.” Lanh, I learn, can actually use a smartphone to send basic text messages to make her needs known, and can use it to browse social media, watch movies, and otherwise keep herself occupied. Unlike her sisters, Lanh was able to go to school until she was 9 and is thus able to read and write. Phuong and No can understand speech to some extent, but cannot communicate outside of the groans we hear.

At this point, I ask about the health of Mr. Duc and Mrs. Hong, and Mr. Duc tells me that they’ve had “many difficulties.” It’s getting harder and harder to care for his daughters as he ages, he says, and he fears what will happen when he’s no longer able to keep up with them. Mr. Duc has three healthy children, and he’s hoping they can care for their sisters after he dies, but that’s only a hope—they have their own families to care for as well. “He’s very sad when he thinks about the future,” Dat tells me.

Throughout our conversation a few children, presumably healthy grandchildren of Mr. Duc and Mrs. Hong, run around the house, their hyperactive energy contrasting with the mood of the visit. I see one of them jump on the bed where Phuong and No, his paralyzed aunts, lie, before getting bored and heading off somewhere else.

‘Mr. Duc has three healthy children, and he’s hoping they can care for their sisters after he dies, but that’s only a hope.’


Despite his anxiety about the future, Mr. Duc says he’s hopeful about expanding his business; he’d like support in opening a grocery store to bring in more income, leading to more savings. He had wanted to open a grocery store before instead of raising animals, he says, but even with AEPD support the amount of capital needed was too great. In the meantime, he’s doing well at raising chickens, and gets support from AEPD, VAVA and other organizations; he is active in one of AEPD’s local self-help groups for disabled people. The government has helped some, he says, but government support can only go so far—there are many Agent Orange aid recipients in this region, and a limited amount of aid to give them.

His “last wish,” Mr. Duc says, is to start a savings account, possibly with outside help, and raise money to ensure that his children are cared for after he dies or becomes too frail to carry on. With enough money, Mr. Duc could either hire a caretaker to look after his daughters or send them to the mental hospital currently under construction in Dong Hoi, where they could be treated by professionals. But he would still have to pay for their upkeep in the hospital, so it’s uncertain how realistic that option is. In the meantime, I tell Mr. Duc that we’ll do what we can to support his family and his new livelihood.

Update by Marcela De Campos, October 2018

Phuong is the first person to see us as we park the car in front of their home. Mr. Duc welcomes us inside and we sit on a mat in their common space. Phuong and No’s and Lanh’s rooms open toward the common space.

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Mr. Le Thanh Duc sits with his daughter, Le Thi No (32 years old). No shares this bed with her sister, Le Thi Phuong (35 years old, not pictured).

Ms. Hong is not at home during our visit. Mr. Duc candidly describes her mental health decline after the death of their youngest son in 2014. At the time of our visit, she had been in the Hue hospital for nine days tending to her mental health. Mr. Duc mentioned that she “ends up in the hospital every few months, about 2-3 times per year” and that her niece accompanies her during those times. Despite her absence, Mr. Duc’s positivity and charisma fill up the room. It is no wonder that he and his family were selected to appear on a charity television program advocating for disability rights. (Of which, he says pointing to the TV, he was gifted his TV from by a company in Ho Chi Minh City that was deeply moved by his family’s story.)

While she Ms. Hong is away Mr. Duc is responsible for everything and seems to have a very small (if nonexistent) support system–he seems to prefer it this way. He is proud to tell me that his youngest daughter has gotten married and is now a teacher on Phu Quoc Island and his only surviving son has become a policeman in the commune. Phuong, No, and Lanh are doing well. While chuckling and looking over at Lanh (who had been engaged in the conversation), Mr. Duc remarks that she is able to use the smartphone and look up videos she is interested in watching. Lanh flashes a sheepish smile and puts her head down.

Since the Formosa environmental disaster in 2016, Mr. Duc has been raising chickens and pigs to supplement his income. He sold all of the pigs in 2017 for 15M VND (~$650 USD). There was a rampant pig disease at the time and he wanted to get out ahead of it. Mr. Duc used the profit to invest in his chicken-raising business model and relaunch his fish sauce business in early 2018. The government facilitated an environmental clean-up and has since declared the water in Quang Binh clean and clear of pollutants. Interestingly enough, Mr. Duc had started to plan to open a grocery store but did not have enough capital to get the business off the ground. Once he learned the ocean was clean again, he leveraged the capital from the pig sales and existing knowledge to pick up where he left his fish sauce business in 2016.

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The blue barrel is where Mr. Duc makes his fish sauce. The barrel is full of fish sauce and he hopes to sell it this fall. He would like to expand this business and hopes to qualify for a loan from the AEPD-Zebunet micro-credit program to do so.

Mr. Duc explains that it takes nine months to make fish sauce and he anticipates being able to generate 5-6M VND per year from it. If he were able to produce more sauce, he would be able to generate a greater profit. Unfortunately, however, he does not have any additional capital to invest at this moment. As Mr. Duc was recounting and sharing his experiences, Mr. Thuan (Outreach Worker) mentioned the credit program AEPD currently implements with the support of Zebunet, a French nonprofit organization. Mr. Thuan believes Mr. Duc could qualify for a 10M VND loan and offered to connect him to the program and/or Zebunet to scale the business and thus, improve his annual income. Currently, the family makes 15M VND per year (which includes the 500,000 VND per month generated by chicken sales) and it is just enough for food and their expenses.

But a bigger question and worry remains for Mr. Duc: “What will happen to my children in the event of my passing?” Like other Campaign beneficiaries, Mr. Duc is thinking toward the future and wondering how best to set up a contingency plan in case of an emergency. And that is truly the big and very real question that haunts these caregivers.

The best he can do is save enough money such that his daughters can live at the only home for persons with disabilities in Quang Binh after his passing. In the meantime, though, the best we can do for/with them is to support his sustainable endeavors, provide guidance, and advocate for “contingency plans” and holistic institutional support. Mr. Duc is prepared to do it and we are confident in and inspired by his abilities. It is a true pleasure to work with Mr. Duc’s family.

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Le Thi Phuong (35 years old) is Mr. Duc’s oldest daughter. She shares a bed with No and is constantly peeking out of the window. She was the first to greet us when we arrived at Mr. Duc’s home.


Update by Mia Coward, July 2019

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Mr. Duc explains his fish sauce business plan

We arrive to a packed house. With children running and screaming around the home, it seems very happy as we walk in the home. Le Thanh Duc’s 3rd oldest daughter and her two sons are here to visit for the summer holiday. Every year the 3rd oldest daughter can give them about 10 million a year. That contributes to their overall income. She is only able to visit maybe once or twice a year to physically help them. Their other son is working as a police officer in their commune but has a low salary and can not contribute to the expenses.

His wife is here, smiling, and feeling much better since the last visit. She has a smile on her face as she brings us some water. Their daughters(Le Thi Phuong, Le Thi No, and Le Thi Lanh) are awake and alert during most of our visit, they have had no change in their disabilities since the last visit, but Mr. Duc tells us they have not been sleeping well, waking up multiple times during the night because of the heat. He explains that it is hard for his wife to take care of them. In the winter they also have trouble sleeping and getting warm. Mr. Duc must spend a lot of money to warm them during the last winter season, using coal and electricity and sometimes a heater (that cost even more) to help his daughters.

Since our last visit, they are still raising chickens and now have some ducks. He tells us that raising the ducks is easier than chickens or pigs. For chickens and pigs he has to purchase food but for the ducks he can get their food from fishing. He still makes the fish sauce and gets up to show us one that is currently ready to be sold. He then shows us where he makes the sauce and talks about the need for capital to make more fish sauce and keep the business going. While we are in the back, the visiting daughter takes care of her sisters and children.

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Mr. Duc’s unaffected daughter was helping take care of her sisters when we visited

Mr. Duc also shows us some of the chickens and ducks he has. I can see the chickens, but I believe the ducks were hiding from the sun as it was just after lunch so the sun was unforgiving at this time. He tells us that can make about 4-6M VND from the chickens and ducks. He recently sold some chickens for 6M VND. The fish sauce that he showed us earlier will be sold for about 25,000 VND for one liter but in order to make more he would need more capital. He stores the fish sauce for about six months, the initial capital for it being 3M VND, and he said he would be able to gain about 5M VND total (per bottle).

After we come back into the house, Mr. Duc shares with Ngoc that many organizations have come by the house, but none have been able to contribute or help their family. Since Mr. Duc is one of our more experienced caretakers that has been able to run multiple business, we discuss how the business of raising chickens and ducks has progressed. He tells us that raising chickens and ducks is better than other animals because they are easy to manage and sell. It cost him about 2M VND per month to take care of 100 chickens.

Mr. Duc receives about 9M VND from the Agent Orange Compensation, but his wife is currently not receiving any compensation for being a caregiver. He tells us that in their commune they do not have a regulation for the wife (who is the caregiver) to get compensation for her being the sole caregiver of the family. Ngoc says that she will talk with the outreach worker to see why they are not receiving this type of compensation that is for caregivers.

After we discuss this, Mr. Duc energetically jumps right into a conversation about loans and if given the opportunity it could help the fish sauce business or a potential grocery business. He also tells us that many organizations do not give loans to Agent Orange families because they fear they will not pay it back. Mr. Duc leaves to go get some pictures to show us that he participated in an assembly honoring him and others in Hanoi, Vietnam. He was recognized as a person who was affected by Agent Orange and for being a father to children with disabilities. He shares this picture with pride.

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Mr. Duc took great pride in being honored in Hanoi

We began talking more about loans and he shares with us information about the loan that he currently has. He tells us that he has one loan that has followed him for a long time– about 16 years to be exact. The loan for his home seems to haunt him, the total for the loan is 200M VND and every month he pays 2 to 3M VND on the interest. He now goes to grab the loan papers to show Ngoc how much the loan was and the papers he purchased the house with. He has not been able to repay the loan yet and just pays the interest.

The daughters are now laughing in the back now at their father as he laughs about the loan and how it has been with him for so long. His wish is that he will be able to pay at least half of it off soon. He makes another joke that the loan will never stop following him. He chuckles as his wife returns to sit with us. We then ask if they believe they can save small amounts on a daily or weekly basis, and if they would be interested in a savings group, but Mr. Duc says he cannot. He is currently paying for the loan, along with the needs for his family which leaves him with no extra money.

For a moment during our conversation Mr. Duc leaves to move his daughters and sit them up. They laugh while he is doing this as he is the only one in the house that can help do this. He does this so quickly that I did not notice he was onto moving the oldest daughter (Le Thi Phuong) and back to conversation in minutes. Mr. Duc would like to hire an in-home nurse for his daughters, but it cost 5M VND per daughter, 15M VND in total and he cannot afford this amount. Every month they can earn about 2M VND per month and about 30M VND per year or less and that is all contributed to food, medicine, and everyday expenses. If there is an emergency, they will have to get a loan from the banks as their relatives will not allow them to borrow any more money.

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Mr. Duc and two of his daughters

As he tells us this, I am a little sad inside that his family will not help, but as I look up I see Mr. Duc still smiling so I smile as well. He is excited to share with us that he will have a daughter-in-law soon. His son will be getting married and he has a big idea of what he wants to do once they are married. He tells us that he has an idea to open up a grocery near the sea to service the fishermen that come back and forth and need supplies. He would need a loan of 500M or more to start but he says that this will bring him a good income. If he was able to open the grocery store, he could get 20M VND in profit every year. I ask if he would want to do this plan with a group of people to help him manage the loan and business. I see his facial expression change to one of confusion. He did not want to do this with a group– just him, his son, and daughter-n-law would be fine for him. This idea will also help him afford the in-home nurse for his daughters.

During the conversation, Mr. Duc shares with Ngoc that he hopes I can bring a voice to his family and others once I am back in the U.S. so more people can help them. As we leave, Mr. Duc and his wave us off with a smile in hopes that there will be more done to help their family.